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The Other Back to the Future Flip Clock - The Copal 801

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    The Other Back to the Future Flip Clock - The Copal 801

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ID:	25187 Back to the Future - a 1985 science fiction film staring Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd, Lea Thompson, Crispin Glover, and Thomas F. Wilson.

    Set in 1985, the story follows Marty McFly, a teenager accidentally sent back to 1955 in a time-traveling DeLorean automobile built by his eccentric scientist friend Doctor Emmett "Doc" Brown.

    Trapped in the past, Marty inadvertently prevents his future parents' meeting — threatening his existence — and is forced to reconcile the pair and somehow get back to the future.

    Perhaps you already knew that. And, very likely, you've heard of the "Back to the Future Flip Clock."

    The clock appeared on the shelf on the headboard of Marty McFly's bed.

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    This is a well known flip clock in the world of flip clocks and usually goes for high dollar on the internet due to the interest of both flip clock fans and fans of the movie.

    It's the Panasonic RC-6015. A flip clock radio that was actually one of Panasonic's bargain flip clocks. Collectors and restorers of flip clocks know this clock radio to have electronically stood up well to the passage of time. But unfortunately, the clock is also known for having a brittle case. So you know all that. But did you know that this was not the first flip clock to appear in the movie?

    We know that the famous flip clock belonged to Marty McFly (Michael J. Fox).

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    But the opening scene of the first in the "Back to the Future" Trilogy shows a vast array of clocks at the home of Doc Brown.
    And there it is. It is clearly a Copal flip clock and is commonly believed to be the Copal 801.

    It is a very to find flip clock, much harder than Marty McFly's clock, and is often quite expensive.

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    I did finally get one of these clocks in the recent past directly from Japan, and I'd like to go through it with you.

    First, well, I whitened it. It needed it to some degree. It's not actually a white clock - more of an off-white or cream color, I suppose. But you could see the yellowing. And, since I've been in whitening mode, and there was plenty of hydrogen peroxide available in 40 Volume Developer at the time, I went ahead and brightened up the case.

    There aren't that many parts and pieces to come off the get the clock open. The first thing you'll notice is that the flip clock mechanism is huge.

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    - The advancement gears are unique to this clock - I've never seen this arrangement of gears in a flip clock.
    - The mechanism's knob connects to a rod with its position controlled by springs.
    - When pulled down the rod engages a face gear system to allow the clock to be advanced.
    - The very large file tiles have a plastic banding system in place, it seems to keep the tiles in proper position to facilitate flipping.

    Surprisingly, the motor is just a simple, normal sized Copal II flip clock motor. I was a bit surprised by this, but I suppose I shouldn't have been. These are great little synchronous motors and have lasted 50 some years. Another surprise was finding this motor to be rated for 60 Hertz 120 volts, with no mechanism for changing from 50 to 60 Hertz operation as would be expected in Japan.

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    As I mentioned, the clock setting knob connects to a rod with its position controlled by springs. When the knob is pulled down the rod engages the clock with what can best be described as a face gear system. What's interesting is that when the knob is turned clockwise, the clock advances. If you turn it the wrong way, counterclockwise, a kind of ratcheting slip clutch prevents any damage at all from occurring - it just makes this clicking sound.
    Nice.

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    The Copal 801 flip clock - Doc Brown's flip clock from the first Back to the Future movie of the mid-1980s. Clearly it stands above all the other Copals in my collection. It has appeal to any collector of Copals and to fans of the movie, "Back to the Future".

    Sure, it's great to own a clock like the cool, time traveling kid, Marty. But how about owning a clock like the one owned by the man who invented time travel.

    While this clock is the 24 hour version, and the movie version can be seen to be the AM/PM style, it remains a centerpiece of my Copal collection.

    Hope this has been an interesting review of this clock for you.

    Thanks for taking the time.

    There's a little more detail about the Japanese electrical grid in the article

    See The Video on YouTube
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    #2
    These clocks are very rare (supposedly expensive when new) and very cool! Take care that inspite of the fact that the motor looks the same, the gearbox is different on the inside. The gears are made bigger/stronger and are not interchangeable with regular gears. Technically they are I suppose but they will not last very long I expect. I ran into this issue a couple of years ago while trying to fix one of these with a broken gear. I ended harvesting it from a broken 801 I had for parts.

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    • Revol2
      Revol2 commented
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      Where did you get your Copal 801? pls

    #3
    Nice video! I would like to find this flipclock too

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    • flipoclock
      flipoclock commented
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      It's hard to say where I find them... Sometimes they find me, sometimes I find them. I found two of them (801 & 802) a while back through this forum and sometimes one pops up on Ebay and as Mackey said, buyee.jp in Japan. You have to be patient and a bit lucky. Sometimes it is years and I do not find one at all.

    #4
    Great article from the great Mackey, as usual.

    I see them on Buyee from time to time, but many times they are getting wise to the prices and setting them at "retail" prices, non-restored.

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    • Mackey
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      Thanks.
      My official moniker is the Great and Terrible Mackey.

    #5
    Great historical information. I would love to get a hold of one of that model.

    Nice job on the video.

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    • Mackey
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      Thanks - appreciated.

    #6
    Originally posted by flipoclock View Post
    These clocks are very rare (supposedly expensive when new) and very cool! Take care that in spite of the fact that the motor looks the same, the gearbox is different on the inside. The gears are made bigger/stronger and are not interchangeable with regular gears. Technically they are I suppose but they will not last very long I expect. I ran into this issue a couple of years ago while trying to fix one of these with a broken gear. I ended harvesting it from a broken 801 I had for parts.
    That's really interesting. I was grateful to get this clock in such good condition. The motor looks great - and as tempted as I am to see what's inside that gear box - there's no way I'm touching it.
    I was surprised it was actually rated for 120V.
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      #7
      Mackey I may hit you up for the general dimensions of the stand, I think it could be fun to try and bend a new one for my 802, as it didn't come with one.

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      • Mackey
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        Ok. I’ll get to that soon.

      #8
      Great video Mackey and beautiful clock!

      Pity though your post seems to be missing its images. Looks like the same issue I have had a few times and tried to reproduce in the testing area without success

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        #9
        Originally posted by Johan de Jong View Post
        Great video Mackey and beautiful clock!

        Pity though your post seems to be missing its images. Looks like the same issue I have had a few times and tried to reproduce in the testing area without success
        I see all the images.
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        • Johan de Jong
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          That can be because on your system they are still in the browser cache. Do you still see them when you clear the browser cache or open the page in another browser or on another computer/phone/iPad? I had the same experience on two of my earlier posts.

        • eathan21th
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          I do not see the images also.

        #10
        I see no images within this post. but when I click on Articles there they are.

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          #11
          I have tried to fix the issue. I hope they show up now. Please let me know Johan de Jong and others.
          Thanks for letting me know about this.
          For some reason they show in chrome but not in IE. Now they show in both on my end.
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          • RetroFlip
            RetroFlip commented
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            I see them now as well.

          #12
          Yes, I see the images!

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          • Mackey
            Mackey commented
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            Thanks for the feedback!!

          #13
          Excellent find Mackey. These clocks have always held their value and are skyrocketing in price compared to other Copals at the moment!

          Such a nice large flip mechanism, I wish that someone these days made as robust and large a setup as your Copal has.

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            #14
            I just acquired one and am attempting to repair it.
            How do you take the knob off to fully open the case?
            It isn't budging and I don't want to break it.

            Originally posted by Mackey View Post
            ...
            Last edited by tcypher; July 7, 2023, 07:05 PM.

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              #15
              The Great and Terrible Mackey's video walks you through how to disassemble it. I used it to take my 802 apart. Easy.

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              • tcypher
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                thanks. I watched it but made the assumption it would be at the beginning.

                I didn't actually see the removal, but am assuming I need to remove the clear face first to get at the cotter pin that holds it in place.

                I will do that and if that's the method, rejoice.
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